• The word lists are incomplete, lacking words from the Etymologies or any of the recent publications and have many poorly reconstructed words in them that aren't marked, and the various Elven languages are mixed together, without an labling.
• The pronunciation guide is often incorrect, and tries to use English orthography to show pronunciation. It completely ignores the vowel Y and vowel length. It often ignores or gets wrong the stress patterns in Elven words.
• The person who put it together knows nothing about the Elven languages, therefore the phrases in the phrasebook are plagiarized from random sources, some good, some which are on this list.
• The male name list has a feminine name ending listed as a masculine name ending.

To put the atrocity in the web-designer's own words:

In some cases I have added meaningless letters to "Elvish-ize" the names, the most common being "dh" and "th" (Cuguwen [Dove Maiden] doesn't sound quite Elvish, but Cugedhiel does).

Don't bother trying to help her correct the translations, she will ignore everything you say. Try to bring it up on her forum, and she will ban you. In fact, if you try to help anyone with translations on her forum, you will be breaking the forum rules. Do I sound like I have a grudge? Maybe a little.

This website's content can be found in many websites, because the author encourages people to repost her deeply flawed material. This is a list of the websites using her content:

• Aryanewra - Elvish
• Bein Lenn - Elvish
• Blades of Anárion - Library
• Boy Elvish Names
• elbische-namen
• Elfçe
• Elfic Project - Le langue des elfes
• Elven
• The Elven Language
• elvish
• Elvish
• Elvish Doc
• Elvish Sayings
• Fool of a Took - Basic Elvish
• Girl Elvish Names
• Illuminous Tranquility - Sindarin Phrases
• KAMUS BAHASA ELF
• Legolas and Arwen
• Lord of Z Rings - Elvish
• Lorien Inn - Sindarin Phrases
• Lothlorien Lights - Elvish
• Lotseriel's LotR Fan Site - Elvish Dictionary
• Me - Elvish
• Neldë - Common Phrases
• Nevereverland
• Nytsamlegir Frasar á Sindarin
• The Palantiri - Elvish Words
• Shadowfax's Facts - Elvish Language and Names
• Sindarin Phrases
• Siniflair
• Tolkien Ve OrtaDünya - Elfçe Kurs
• Tsiu's World - Elvish
• Useful Elvish Phrases

Q. What's this about an Elven Language?
A. When J.R.R. Tolkien wrote the setting for the Lord of the Rings he crafted an entire world to go with it. Included in that world were the grammatical structure and a rudimentary dictionary for a number of Elven Tongues. Since we roleplay Elves online, we took that dictionary, simplified the grammatical structure and expanded the dictionary heavily. It is not cannon Elven as Tolkien wrote it, simply our own adaptation. Which we like better. Thank you very much.

Many people have plagiarized this phrasebook because in the distant past, this was the only Elvish phrasebook on the web and its content kinda looked like Tolkien's Elvish languages. It's so notorious that it has become known as "Grelvish". Here are the culprits:

• The Age of Ailin'Taure - Elven Dictionary
• Alderaan - Elvish-English phrase book
• Ariah Collin
• Belegerea - Language
• Champions of Sarainthia - Glossary
• Charming Mr. Bloom - The Elvish Language
• Church Sk8r - Elvish Dictionary
• Common Elvish Phrases
• Customs of the Maia'Edhel
• The ears! Lemme touche them! - Elvish
• Elen sila lumenn omentilmo
• Elven Phrases
• Elvish Dictionary
• Elvish-English Phrasebook
• Elvish Glamervelt
• Elvish Phrases
• Elvish Talk
• From the Shire to Rivendell - Elvish
• The Grey Company Phrasebook
• iknowallsoshutup - Speak Elvish!
• J. R. R. Tolkien - Elven Phrases
• Lavender Lightening - Elven Language Guide
• Leaarning Elvish
• Learn Elven!
• Memories of Lothlorien
• Rivendell
• Ruathar Dictionary
• The Site For the way of the elves - Elven Trans.
• Su-Pa Otaku - Elvish
• Tolkien Online

• The lessons are horribly outdated, and they were outdated when they were written too.
• The reconstructed words are implausible, and often based on English, rather than trying to reconstruct a word or expression from the Elven point of view (going through common Eldarin First).
• The phrasebook has a lot of Anglicisms.
• The main reason this website has so many problems is that the website owner refuses to take into account the recent publications of Tolkien's notes. It sure would be easier if what we know of Tolkien's languages stayed stationary, but the simple fact is that with every new publication of Tolkien's notes, we discover something new and fantastic about his languages.

To put this in the website-owner's own words:

Oh, you're probably referring to Vinyar Tengwar (or something similar), which is an indepedent newsletter from a group not associated with the Tolkien estate, and who freely admit that their work is not true Sindarin but "Neo-Sindarin". It is non-canonical, and as such, I try to avoid it.

• A program is doing the translation. This is always a bad idea, because programs have no sense for the art of translation. Even the creator points this out, and tries to compensate.
• However, the rules for compensation are flawed. The idea that you could delete repeated syllables is a mistake from not understanding Quenya affixes and how they are combined in compounds. Worse over, it gets suggested in the Sindarin section too!
• The masculine versus feminine names part in both Quenya and Sindarin is completely inadequate and to my mind, not very helpful.
• This page does have a saving grace, and that is its flow chart, which is amusing and correct.

• The Barrow-Downs: Multi-Name-Generator
• The Elvish Name Generator
• The Mellon Chronicles Name Generator
• My Precious

• Atomic Name Generator 1.0
• Elf Name Generator
• ElvenRunes.com - MUME Name Generator
• Hobgoblin.net - Name Generator
• Molecular Name Generator 1.0
• Name Generator :: Dragon's Mark
• Random Name Generator

• The Elven languages are mixed together.
• None of the accents appear.
• It shows only one word at a time.

• Missing accents.
• Grammatical mistakes.
• It tries to translate the phrases far too literally. Instead of translating their meanings, it simply translates the words. Therefore, many of the translations simply don't make sense in Quenya.

• The "translator" is in Quenya, but it doesn't tell you that.
• It doesn't allow for more than one result, or for a more complete viewing of the definition.
• The phrase translator has absolutely no knowledge of grammar, infact, it was stumped by simple plurals.

• Missing accents.
• Grammatical mistakes.
• Noldorin isn't consistently turned into Sindarin.

• The word list is incomplete and mixes all of the Elven languages together.
• The grammatical sections are misleading and incorrect.
• The Etymology section doesn't have any etymology in it.

• The word lists are misleading.
• Quenya and Sindarin are mixed without any labeling.
• The content is plagiarized.
• Verbs aren't listed in their root-form.

• It mixes all of the Elven languages with Grelvish.
• It doesn't list grammatical usage.

• It is incomplete, missing the words from the Etymologies.
• Many of the translations are incorrect.
• It doesn't list grammatical usage.

• It doesn't list grammatical usage.
• Noldorin and Sindarin are mixed without any notation as to what is what.
• Verbs are listed in their infinitive forms, not their root forms.
• Reconstructed words are not marked.
• There's a problem with the coding that makes accents not show up.
• Common Eldarin is often confused for Quenya.
• It's got the Grelvish phrase book in there too!
• This person obviously knows nothing about Tolkien's languages, and just plagiarized a bunch of different incorrect sources.